I see Stuart Kaplan and company are cashing in on Pamela Colman Smith with a new book that supposedly gives us the "untold story." There's not a lot of info to be had at the moment. I had to laugh out loud though as I read the blurb at Amazon: "Known to millions as the creator of the Rider-Waite Tarot deck. . . ." This must be the part that hasn't been told. . . .until now.
Pamela was a gifted artist, a fact Waite was always quick to acknowledge. Why would he have wanted her to illustrate his deck if it were otherwise? But without Waite as the motivating force there would never have been a Waite-Smith Tarot.
First we were told that Pamela should be acknowledged and the Rider Waite Tarot became the Rider Waite Smith, or Waite Smith; that's fair enough. Then Kaplan decides Pamela deserved top billing and we got the Smith Waite Centennial Tarot. Now we're asked to believe her role as illustrator makes her creator; she was co-creator at best. This attempted rewriting of history gets more laughable by the minute.
as far as I understand it,, waite only directed the major arcana,,he left the minors illustrations up to pamela. I think stuart though was trying to show her worth,, as years it was called the rider waite now it is called coleman smith waite ? what does ___ mean ?
I wonder how it compares to the other two books based on the subject as I look at amazon for it..
the book in question is 440 pages,, and mary k greer has a part in it (and 2 other scholars not named ) .
In the Pictorial Key, Part 2, Section 1, Waite says: "For the variations in the symbolism by which the designs have been affected, I alone am responsible. In respect of the Major Arcana, they are sure to occasion criticism among students, actual and imputed." A careful reading of this passage shows he means he's responsible for the symbolism in both the majors and minors.
And he says, "The Tarot cards which are issued with the small edition of the present work, that is to say, with the Key to the Tarot, have been drawn and coloured by Miss Pamela Colman Smith, and will, I think, be regarded as very striking and beautiful, in their design alike and execution."
In his Occult Review article of February 1926, Waite says, "And this leads up to my final point. If anyone feels drawn in these days to the consideration of Tarot symbolism they will do well to select the Trumps Major produced under my supervision by Miss Pamela Coleman [sic] Smith." I suppose someone might argue that this proves Waite only supervised the majors but that's not what he's saying; he's simply suggesting the majors as a good source for the study of symbolism.
The weight of the evidence shows Waite was responsible for the symbolism in the deck; it was his idea from start to finish; he initiated the project and oversaw; he selected Pamela to create the designs. No doubt she was responsible for some of the unique elements such as the theater stage designs for some of the minors; but the idea that she was somehow responsible for primary symbolism in the deck is pure conjecture drawn from thin air. It was a collaborative effort, but it was Waite's idea, without him there wouldn't be a Waite-Smith Tarot.
As I said, Pamela deserves credit for her part, but "scholarship" as of late has given her way more credit than she does, in fact, deserve. It goes beyond giving her credit, it's an attempt to wipe Waite's name out of it all together.
I don't know all that mostly due the old language waite used.
I will say that this particular book at this stage doesn't interest me mostly due to it being an biography then just a focus on how she contributed. The other two books on the subject one forthcoming by sasha and the one by marcus katz may interest me more.
To be honest i totally forget where i read the info i presented in the first post. Hence the question marks with the statements in other words i could of read that some where on atf or one of these old books.
So i take it not going to read it?. I think perhaps it is simply bad marketing with the creator comment.
I don't plan to read it. There are some reviews on YouTube and from the sound of it there's nothing that new or earth shattering; it's just all been gathered into one place.
I don't believe "creator" was a mistake. In the image below of Kaplan's Commemorative set, Pamela's credited correctly as the "Artist." But at the bottom she has been given top billing, "Smith-Waite."
And notice this deck from Lo Scarabeo. Pamela's name is at the top but Waite's is nowhere to be found, on the front anyway. "RWS" can be seen at the bottom.
So Kaplan understood at one time that Pamela's role was as artist. Whether or not he's responsible for the summary on the back of his new book I'm not sure; but I don't believe calling Pamela the deck's "creator" was a mistake. It's the next logical progression. I do believe a lot of this has to do with marketing; Pamela sells, Waite doesn't. I'm sure if this ever reverses itself in the future you'll begin to see Waite's name everywhere.
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